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What is in your basket [Nov - Dec 2019]



The 99’s sublime though…2 to drink and 4 to lay down…? :wink:


My first Musar was the '09 drunk in '17 and whilst it was great then it was very obvious that it would be much better much more mature. I have read just recently that most great wines will still be great young (even straight out of the barrel), just much better more matured. So I set about getting some older vintages so I could hang onto the vintages coming out now without being tempted to drink them too early. As others have said, the 1999 is just marvellous now. I’m no expert but I reckon the average Musar is probably just getting into its stride at around 15 years. Much like a good quality Bordeaux.

As was I until quite recently. I’d say this case is an excellent way to introduce yourself to Musar with a couple of bottles ready to drink now and another four for later. Elsewhere I’m struggling to find the '99 for less than £30.


Agreed. The Musar ‘99 was my wine of the year last year.

Usual caveat applies - open at least 6 hours before drinking.


Totally agree, apart from the comparison to Bordeaux. To me it’s almost the opposite extreme - Musar is one of my favourite wines because it isn’t afraid to walk on the wild side, whereas I find most Bordeaux way too well behaved, and hence pretty dull!


Just put in what was originally intended to be last pre Christmas order…it won’t be as I forgot about sherry and champagne, thinking I had enough of the latter (yesterday’s cellar audit revealed I don’t, must have drunk a couple of Boizel in my sleep clearly).

However, I did get some more Alsace and Rhone in, plus a load of half bottles for Christmas presents for a couple of relatives, plus a few bottles for a charity tasting I’m doing at end of November. Themes not fully decided yet, but likely to include a comparison of Marsanne and Viognier between Oz (Tahbilk) and France on the white front, and probably a bit of Rhone quality ladder on the reds.

The WS delivery driver will be praying we are in, as the default involves a long walk round the house to leave them in the greenhouse…about 5 cases …

Final pre Xmas order must be better planned though…


Oh my gosh, I have started doing this and the total is terrifying!

It is a useful (but wallet-crippling) method to track whether you ‘need’ to buy wines you want. I used to just wait until enough of my basket had sold through so that I could both afford and justify my intended order.

Too many wines selling too quickly!


But new ones will come in their place. It’s, thankfully, a bottomless pit! :smiley:


but… FOMO :fearful:


Ahhh… there’s no cure for that, I guess! :face_with_monocle:


Although I had to do a google search to find out the meaning I can totally relate to your sentiment !


Yes, as @Inbar says, there will always be new wines or new vintages and inevitably more wine than it’s possible to drink (safely)!


I was tempted by the Musar case but succumbed to loss leader type pricing of 6 Chateaux Musars for £110.94 at Ocado(buy 6 save 25% plus £15 off £60+ voucher = £18.50 a bottle). No vintage specified but likely backed by the same ones received from waitrose. Have been buying lots of EP recently so will be good to get something delivered for the short term too.

Edit: Changed to 12 Musar halves £97.32 (buy 6 save 25% plus £15 off £60+ voucher = £8.11 a half bottle)


The 2003s sold by Waitrose no match for TWS offer, though! You gets what you pay for :slight_smile:


Yeah would love to benchmark it against a 1999. Perhaps i should get a bottle of that too. Have been quite happy with 2003s i’ve had mind, particularly at £8.11 a half bottle.

You gets what you pay for

Its not always the case though. I have paid over the odds for the same vintage/wine before. I recently picked up some Cerasuolo di Vittoria (which I think you are also a fan of) from the EU at quite a bit cheaper than i could get it in this country. Would love to see this wine at the TWS


Check out Waitrose cellar with 25% off 6 bottles or more. Oh dear, temptation that I could not resist:

Order Details

    • Yalumba The Signature Cabernet Sauvignon/Shiraz

Vintage: 2014 75cl
Barossa Valley , Australia

  • £101.97
  • 3
  • £33.99
    • Moulin de Duhart

Vintage: 2016 75cl
Bordeaux , France

  • £96.00
  • 3
  • £32.00
    • Lafite Legende Pauillac

Vintage: 2015 75cl
Bordeaux , France

  • £86.97
  • 3
  • £28.99
    • Chateau Musar

Vintage: 2003 75cl
Bekaa Valley , Lebanon

  • £83.97
  • 3
  • £27.99
    • Oddero Barolo

Vintage: 2014 75cl
Piedmont , Italy

  • £49.98
  • 2
  • £24.99
    • Chablis 1er Cru Montée de Tonnerre, Domaine Séguinot-Bordet

Vintage: 2015 75cl
Burgundy , France

  • £49.98
  • 2
  • £24.99
    • Tommasi Amarone della Valpolicella

Vintage: 2013 75cl
Veneto , Italy

  • £79.98
  • 2
  • £39.99


Sub-total (pre-savings) £548.85

  • Product savings- £137.25
  • Next/named day delivery+ £0.00
  • Total


  • You have saved£137.25


I’m really trying to stay away from Waitrose offers at the moment… or anyone’s offers, to that matter! :grimacing:

Having said that, a couple random bottles fell into my basket in Aldi; a 2017 Petite Sirah/Petit Verdot blend from Monterey, CA called Odd Lot, and a weird looking wine from the Pfalz called Black Star, which is a blend of two grapes I swear were made up: Dunkelfelder and Cabernet Mitos :thinking: This wine was very well reviewed by Fiona Beckett (albeit a different vintage), so looking forward to see what it does to my palate…

The heavy reds theme continued in Lidl with a 2016 Rasteau (£8.99), which I can’t find on their website, but is looking rather inviting. I wonder if anyone had tried it?


Yes, I had that Lidl Rasteau, it was nice, and I will buy it again, but will not make a special trip to get it. Good luck with staying away from the Waitrose Cellar 25% off offer, it covers nearly all of their wines…


Yeah, absolutely this. I just took delivery of 16 bottles from TWS today, and have another top-up order of 6 coming next Friday, (3 of the 2015 Ulysse Pauillac, a bottle of the Torracia Nebbiolo, Bougrier Loire Chardonnay and a bottle of the Ginglinger Cremant d’Alsace Brut Prestige) so I really don’t need anymore right now.

But it’s 25% off. And I have a voucher for £12 off when I spend £60. Surely it makes sense to just do a little bit of Waitrose shopping? Everyday bottles only, no Musars etc. Scout’s honour.


I’ve had plenty of the 03 (mostly thanks to Waitrose!) It’s a good wine, of course, if not one of the best vintages (I think the TWS case is very nicely crafted in this respect).

As regards the everyday bottles from Waitrose, I have been consistently disappointed over the last few years when looking for fillers for Musar and Bosconia orders.


I created this order a wee while ago but set the delivery date to the end of November to concide with my return home from the south. A dangerous practice I have discovered! It started with the Lebanese case, then I just had to add a couple of the Ulysse then the Musar case came along.

MX19295 Inbetweeners Lebanese Case £102.00 1 Case of 3 £102.00
CM23181 Pauillac 2015 Ulysse £23.00 2 Bottle £46.00
MX19251 Chateau Musar Case £160.00 1 Case of 6 £160.00

Now I suspect I might have to add a case of these early drinking Bordeaux.

It’s really all a bit expensive but it will be my last order before Christmas and possibly before heading over to the Alps in January for three months (yeah right!)

Not sure whether to end that with :smiley: or :frowning: