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Discussion on fish with bonus punathon

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Yes it is… and a raw fish is (to some people) repugnant, smelly, slimey, bony, requiring some skill in filleting & preparation. Unfortunately high street fishmongers have mostly been forced out of business by the supermarkets. They in turn have lengthy supply chains so the fish can be many days old & have travelled many miles, before being packaged in sanitised portions.

Personally I wouldn’t dream of buying fish from a supermarket. I get mine from a wholesale market (VERY fresh) and do the prep myself. Sadly UK langoustines (for me in anyway) are not happening - I don’t travel to north west Scotland. Yes, I’m sure Waitrose sell them, but due to the supply chain thing they wont still be live.

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Oh, my wife used to work for Technip designing sub-sea oil and gas pipelines and risers.

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I’m some people. I want it prepared by someone else.

In batter with chips, or in breadcrumbs or lightly dusted…

Funnily enough in the Cape I’m happy to have Yellow Tail, Cob or Kingclip without coverings - though Cajun blackened Kingclip is my preference at Ocean Basket.

At the now defunct Harbour View, in 2018 Mrs M had a platter of King Prawns, calamari, two fillets of line-fish of the day (yellow tail) with steamed vegetables and crunchy fried potato wedges.

I had Kingklip in lemon butter with a salad and delicious crispy potato wedges.
With a bottle of fizzy water the food bill came to R430 (£26). We B.Y.O’d with Spier Sauvignon Blanc Signature Collection 2017.

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I’m impressed - that is a decent plate of fish !

Long time ago I went out to S’ Africa & the Kingklip was amazing. Ditto steak with monkey gland sauce and gem squash.

Stop it, you’re torturing me. I used to love the kingclip and those seafood platters. My favourite seafood dish in SA was served at a place in Joburg, I think it was called The Tantervin & was part of a large well heeled hotel. They used to do a dish which was a large sole cooked in butter as big as the plate with the makings of a lobster thermador laid across the top of it.
I needed to host some dodgy Brooderbond government inspectors and my brief for lunch was to take them out and keep them away from the factory for as long as possible. So many extravagant afternoons spent at The Tantervin on expenses. Happy days.

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I may have made a bit of a mistake above. Perhaps my favorite was the crab curry at Shaka’s Rock Hotel just north of Durban…or the garlic butter calamari pizzas in Kempton Park…Or the…

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I’m afraid my first reaction was to wonder why you’d be content drinking Australian industrial swill in South Africa when there are so many delicious local wines…

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Yuh, I had to double check the name of the fish when writing!

When travelling, I try and drink the wine of the region I am in. The only problem in the Cape is one is spoiled for choice.

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A bit of food porn for you. Sadly, I can’t easily put together a (healthy) meal like this in Britain. Waiting for my next French holiday … …

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My favourite is Barramundi and I got a taste for it in Perth, W.A.
But living in Scotland and having access to several great local fishmongers and the harbour shellfish merchant- life could be much worse.
When I see the prices of fish at Billingsgate, I can hardly believe my eyes.
Locally:
Recent purchases, 3 small monkfish tails, £5.
Langoustines, normally around £0.75 each, for the tidy sized ones.
I will admit to greasing the skids with a bottle of red, in gratitude - at Christmas. :blush: :wink: :dragon:

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The British diet is pretty dire, I agree, but if you’re comparing what you eat on holiday with what the average British person eats in Britain, are you comparing like with like? And does the average French person eats like that in France?

But with a little effort, I could put that together by visiting the (sadly not the nearest) very decent fishmonger a couple of miles away.

But it looks gorgeous by the way!

Much more widely available - or perhaps more easily accessible - in France though. I think that is most definitely down to cultural differences.

Well, I was just highlighting the fact that if a market stall in a small French village almost a hundred miles from the sea can offer a choice like that, it is sad that the range in Britain generally is so poor. And most of anywhere in Britain is within 80 miles from the sea. Incidentally, the eels were still alive and swimming in a tank behind the stallholder!

With British boats having trouble selling (getting into) French markets lately I was hoping more interesting stuff would appear on my fishmonger’s shelf but sadly again, no. What I don’t understand is when you put your net into the sea, you will likely also get an accompanying mix of sea creatures that are non-Cod. Where do they go! Do they just throw them all back in the water (shame!) – or are they all bought up by @Taffy-on-Tour? :roll_eyes: :slightly_smiling_face:

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My Swiss mum was not well, when I was a boy and older.
I was tasked weekly to buy our meat and fish locally.
It was quite the onerous task and learned quickly from my mistakes.
I got to prefer Hake, rather than the then ubiquitous Cod and few in South Wales bought Haddock unless it was the yellow dyed variety. :open_mouth: (And truth be known that was dyed Cod!!)
On Summer visits to Switzerland, I do remember the Swiss Lake “whitebait” where tiny fish were caught, floured and fried crisply with wonderful fries. Lakes Biel and Geneva provided terrific memories with a glass of Fendant!! :dragon:

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I think they all end up in France, as they’re willing to pay higher prices for them :grinning: And I seem to vaguely remember reading that the type of fish caught by British fishermen isn’t actually favoured by the British.

Anyway, my point is that as a holidayer in France, your experience is atypical in a) the type of region you are likely to visit; and b) the types of goods you look for in your food shopping - it’s as much part of the holiday experience as about ensuring you have enough sustenance.

Anyway, enough already! They were lovely photos of wonderful food. (Though I still maintain I could do just as well in our local-but-one fishmonger.

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That’s not been my experience over the years. I have been amazed at the quality of the fish, counters in some of the local SuperU supermarkets in the South, still at least 150 miles away from the Med. Maybe I’ve been lucky, but it certainly beats what you get in your average UK supermarket, and at keener prices.

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I’d endorse that. My French base is near Tarbes (Bagneres de Bigorre) which has a covered market and a fishmonger 2 minutes walk away - but after several years of trying to patronise these two local merchants, there is no doubt that the Intermarché Super which is a 15 minute bike ride has the best, most consistent and freshest fish. It also clearly indicates the provenance of each catch, so I can select Mediterranean (or Indeed local freshwater) farmed, Atlantic sea-fished, and indeed avoid imported frozen Pacific.

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A man after my own heart.
Northern Territory Barramundi (or just ‘Barra’ as the locals call it) & Queen fish are some of the finest fish you are likely to come across.

I’m also a big fan of the more local (to me) southern water fish in Garfish and King George Whiting but unfortunately KGW is super expensive.

A lot of people go crazy for Snapper but its pretty bland for my tastes and I think its main advantage is its size and the fact it barbecues well. I would much prefer Mulloway but is less common.

Then there is the oysters, prawns and Morton Bay Bugs. Yabbies are ok too. Tuna is big money as a lot is sold to Japan so you need deep pockets.

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We have been going to Switzerland for holidays since the 1980s and most of them have been around Lac Léman. Apparently most of the fillets de perche on the Swiss side are now imported unless it says they are from the lake, whereas when we stay at Chez Jules, Margencel on the French side, we can watch the owner going out in his boat every so often to get fresh supplies for the kitchen.

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