Delivering to Scotland after August 16th 2023

Drinks Chat
#21

Stop supplying Scotland until the SNP cave in. Simples.

#22

Eeeeeek that doesn’t work for me!!!

#23

I have family in the Lothian area….bang goes sending alcohol for Christmas and birthdays :wine_glass::beer:

#24

So how do they plan to enforce this?
A small shop in Bordeaux shipping wine to a customer in Pitlochry will have no interest in printing out sticky bar codes and little to fear in retribution if they don’t.

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#25

That’s the trouble. Scotland will be reduced to branded wines with barcodes - ‘producers’ for whom it is worth their while to go to all the effort. Small producers and importers won’t want to go to all the bother.

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#26

But if un-named consumer in Pitlochry buys his wines direct from a supplier who ships to Southampton first before the drive to the North, how does the wine ever get discovered and identified as bootleg at all?

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#27

It’s not bootleg, duty and VAT will be paid on it, just not the stupid labelling etc. and the tokenist 20p deposit.

It is cretinous, and probably unenforceable. It will be the same in reverse for small craft ale and whisky producers in Scotland.

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#28

Precisely. Which all kinds of goes against the ethos of the Greens, small local producers, eco friendly etc. while the big brands hoover up more market share.

You really couldn’t make up what this lot can do at times. They screwed up a year ago with smoke alarms, the ferries are beyond a joke, and don’t get me started on their gender nonsense.

Lorna Slater is the Green woman who is the Minister loosely in charge of all this.

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#29

I was using bootleg in an ironic way :slightly_smiling_face:. Genuinely, how is it going to be possible to identify unstickered bottles that may be sent to someone living in Scotland, especially if the seller is not even based in the UK so doesn’t give a curse about glass recycling in Oban?

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#30

No idea. Wee Nicky will stamp her feet and wave her finger at them maybe…

Nor will it be possible to identify the 20 cases I bring back in my large car when down South… :grinning:

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#31

The deadly and joyless mix of incompetency and autocracy is breathtaking.

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#32

BBC News - Unlawful trade barrier warning over bottle return scheme

Maybe another case where the UK government can exercise some restraint on the Scottish government’s ideologically driven disasters.

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#33

Let’s hope so…I wonder how much they were planning on spending for this? A whole new body was being created.
This SNP administration is past its sell by date. Priorities are all arse over tit.
Very few competent people, controlling and centralist. Soviet.

#34

First things first I agree it all looks crazy and short sighted. So parking that to one side some lateral thinking. There was a thread on making Boeuf Bourguignon which suggested using Gevrey Chambertin which one might think excessive but perhaps this is the precedence to suggest it’s not a drink but a cooking ingredient so it can be exempted. I have loads of cookery books going back years showing wine and whisky are cooking ingredients.

Secondly not as ideal for all but perhaps a little like the former TWS outpost in France we need TWS next warehouse extension to be in Berwick, tack on a shop like Stevenage has and I could see me making the odd twice yearly visit to pick up EP/reserves + any good bin end they may have on offer in the shop. Or back to my first suggestion they open a cooking supplies shop in Scotland for acquiring this cooking liquids.

Ahh well better stop dreaming and follow the example of writing/educating my local MSP who luckily is not a Green or SNP one.

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#35

Strange how the SNP make reference to how great our whisky industry is and yet according to the Scottish whisky association 44 bottles a second are shipped from Scotland. Just think what could be achieved if they talked to TWS on their net zero plans and looked at what they could get implemented at source rather than what they are doing. Think what an impact we could have on the world by reducing waste to countries receiving the bottles that are less forward thinking or capable of waste reduction.

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#36

That would mean acknowledging that the centralist Soviet SNP knows best style of thinking might not be working. Which we already know it’s not.
The current plan is philosophically flawed, deeply bureaucratic, and hence expensive, unwieldy, inequitable and unworkable. How can they possibly get non Scottish remote retailers to comply? Short of border checks. Maybe thats the master plan?

#37

Thought I would broach the bottle return scheme with my local Independent wine retailer and got a very heated discussion on the competence or lack of it of those involved and it’s complete lack of thought and planning.

Points to add to those already made is smaller retailers paying to
attend conferences held by CLS that fail to answer implementation details and have no government officials in attendance. Also shops have a till system that as it stand is not capable of tracking the data logging requirements of the bottles and will entail a secondary till system to be acquired.

Perhaps in this age of sound bites we need Banksys to create a politician recycle scheme artwork to get some concern attention from our elected officials.

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#38

I’m hoping that there’s a few of them get recycled out of politics at next election…

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#39

Sadly the key problem with Scottish politics at the moment is that it makes no difference how badly the government does, how many disasters and scandals there are, a large portion of the population will only vote for the SNP. Democracy on hold.

#40

A familiar story on the other side of the border (replace ‘Scottish’ with ‘English’ and ‘SNP’ with ‘Tory’).

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