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Declassified/white label wines


#1

Does anyone know if TWS are currently offering any declassified/ “white label” wines or plan on doing so in the near future?

Cheers
Alex


#2

For the uninformed, what is one of those?


#3

A thing of mystery
Can be incredible value!
This goes some way to explaining the concept:

Cheers


#4

Ah i see, thanks. In that case the ‘secret’ Pauillac they have regularly is one of those. There was somw discussion here with the last release:


#5

France is a country tied down by regulation. Accordingly a wine producer is only allowed to produce and market as the estate wine a maximum volume of wine per hectare. Thus, in a prolific vintage, there is “wine left over” which cannot be marketed as the estate wine. A way of getting over this is, for example, a Chablis producer may sell some wine as Bourgogne Blanc (which might otherwise have been labelled as Chablis A.O.C. or, even, as Premier Cru (I had the pleasure of some a few years ago which I was sure was in the latter quality bracket). Another way is to anonymise some of the production. For example, some years ago TWS bought from Sichels some half bottles of a wine under Sichel’s label as “Sauternes A.C.” which was excess production from a 1er Cru Classe estate but there could be no attribution.


#6

I thought the regulations that allowed excess production to be sold as a lower appellation were “repealed” some time ago - but I might be wrong about that. Regardless, some producers might still sell wine at a lower appellation to maximise profits.


#7

No, I think you are right Steve. What Claret1961 describes I understand used to be the case. But now I think if it turns out you have over-produced from an area, the whole batch has to conform to the nearest higher yielding appellation (which ine the case of a cru classé may be village, Bordeaux etc.)

To avoid duplication it may be worth a look at this recent thread -


#8

My daughter’s Skoda Fabia - is actually a declassified Audi TT. And I like to think of my VW golf FSI GTS 2.0 (rather too many letters & numbers) as being a ‘second wine’ compared to a VW Scirocco - and at 14 y/o just coming into it’s prime…

Both are excellent value - admittedly lacking some oomph and class, but designed & made by the same firm, with similar number of wheels etc.


#9

This is the sort of thing I was eluding to:

https://fromvineyardsdirect-news.com/2ZPK-WRD9-A55BOSH5C0/cr.aspx


#10

And now TWS have relisted this:

Thank you!
I have had the 2008 and it is excellent!!!
Hoping for more of the same!!!


#11

Oh Lord there’s only 522 bottles and I really can’t be buying anything more until late next month. So what’s the betting both this and the bin#002 will be gone by then!?


#12

Quite high :rofl:, just purchase them for a late August delivery.


#13

I wish I could but up here I don’t have that option, remember? I suppose I could be sneaky and order for delivery to an alternative address and then at the last moment switch the address back to home!


#14

Now, there you go …. learning the system, I would if I were you.:wink:


#15

Send it to me, Mike! I’ll take great care of them for you… :smirk: