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Coffee IN wine ?!

I’m really loving the two bags (filter + espresso) I’ve got from The Barn, thanks for bringing a new set of sources to my attention. I might hunt around for something different for my next bag but I’m definitely ordering from them again.

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If you like The Barn then Bonanza & Five Elephant (both also Berlin based) are great.

La Cabra and Coffee Collective in Denmark.

Drop in Sweden.

Bocca, White Label and Friedhats in Amsterdam.

Caffenation in Belgium

They’re all in the same league.

I tend to not enjoy UK roasters as much but Kofra in Norwich are very much in the same league as above.

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Ooof found some interesting bags at Five Elelephands and Coffee Collective, but both are £20 shipping. Might need to save up for a big order to make that worth it.

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Sorry to hijack this thread slightly, but does anyone know any logical reason why there may be peanuts in wine?

I ask since I was just putting this in my Ocado basket after seeing it on the rather excellent wineking’s youtube channel, on this video.

The Ocado page says that it contains peanuts. It doesn’t sound logical to me, and I’m guessing it is a back office error somewhere, but since my wife is allergic to peanuts I thought I would ask the community for some input…any reason peanuts would be in there?!

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Very strange. I can’t think of a reason for wine to contain peanuts. Only slight reference I can find is here, but even that is a reference to tree nuts rather than peanuts:

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Thanks for that, quite interesting actually. Technically peanuts are legumes rather than nuts as you probably know, but in any case, it seems the risk here is low. I think the simplest conclusion is still that it is an error on the Ocado website. I can’t find a similar warning on the Tesco website for the same wine, or on Penfold’s official page for the wine either.

I guess I will just have to drink it all myself just to make absolutely sure…

Got to be a mistake surely?

As @Brocklehurstj already said my first assumption would be fining, perhaps not directly involving peanuts but perhaps something involved in the process came from a factory that cant / wont guarantee it’s peanut free to cover themselves?

Also very possible. So many products these days “may contain…”.

I think most of the time the risk is extremely low and as you point out, it is just a backside covering exercise.

They do, but in this case it’s very clear - contains peanuts. This is very clear, no back-covering at all. Strongly recommend your wife to avoid altogether.

That suggests to me that either they’ve made a mistake; peanuts (weird) are used in processing/manufacturing or they’ve confused peanuts with tree nuts and there are non-grape derived tannins used in processing/manufacturing.

Totally agree. Since it explicitly says it contains peanuts, we will not be taking any chances.

Would be foolish to ignore it even if it is potentially a mistake.

My comment was really referring to the myriad of other products which state that they may contain peanuts. To avoid all those would be extremely limiting, so a calculated risk is required.

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Yes, it’s so tough trying to weigh up what is purely arse-covering and what other weird things manufacturers might actually use unexpectedly.

I used to manage the catering service for a school and trying to get all the children fed safely was an interesting challenge. Fortunately nearly everything was freshly-made, so we had good knowledge and control, but even so, with hundreds of kids there were some very tricky combinations.

That sounds like a job with a lot of responsibility!

Having mentioned them upthread, I just wanted to note that Square Mile now have a Kilimanjaro pack available. I’ve only had previous crops, but have consistently thought that these are some of the best coffees I’ve had (for filter anyway; I can imagine that they’d be quite unpleasant as espresso). They’re very much at the fruity end of the scale, and the natural processes don’t have strong fermented flavours. I don’t often feel that coffee this expensive justifies the price, but with these I consistently have.

[Since this seems to look like an advert, I should perhaps have a disclaimer - I have no connection to any of these companies (and indeed have often been disappointed by other expensive coffees from Square Mile). Also, fans of the Barn (assuming they still roast how they did a few years ago) should be aware that they have very different taste in coffee from me.]

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As it happens, I’ve just taken delivery of two bags from Coffee Collective yesterday. I’m letting them rest a few days before my first brew.

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I’ve just come upon this thread. I can’t see mention of peanuts on the Ocado page, and there’s no mention on Penfolds page of peanuts for the wine.

AFAIK peanuts are not used for fining. Casein (milk), and bentonite are the ones used for mass production wines, other method for mass market wines is filtration.

Using the link he provided scroll down a bit and on the right, under Ingredients, it has “Contains Peanut, Contains Sulphites”

Thanks, @MikeFranklin . I completely missed that.

I don’t believe it contains peanuts, but I can understand a person with a peanut allergey not risking it. And there are so many other wines.

But the Ocado website description goes on about Cabernet

Grape Variety Cabernet Sauvignon

By skilfully blending across this and other regions, Penfolds have crafted a Cabernet which is greater than the sum of its parts.

Yet this is a Shiraz Cab blend with either a majority Shiraz or equal measures

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When I saw your post, @peterm I thought perhaps they had updated the page. But as Mike points out, it does still seem to show that it contains peanuts.

I am fairly certain it must be a mistake (especially given the erroneous description as you point out), but nevertheless I did not order it, just in case.

Peanuts can pop up in places you don’t expect…the Five Guys burger chain is one, where they fry everything in peanut oil. Peanut oil is supposed to be refined to such an extent that the proteins that cause the reaction are no longer present, but when you walk into one of their restaurants with someone with a peanut allergy, and see great sacks of peanuts it does give you pause for thought! We left of course.

My wife did have a reaction not too long ago when we were in Spain. We had visited a tapas restaurant with some friends and despite us speaking to the waiting staff about her allergy, we ordered a plate that had a peanut sauce on, which she ate (didn’t look like a satay). She knew within a minute or so as her mouth started itching, and we had to get straight to the hospital which we managed to do by flagging down a police car which put its blue lights on and whizzed us there. We were rushed in and she was put straight onto oxygen, pumped with fluids to keep up blood pressure, given adrenaline, steroids, antihistamines etc. Took quite some time for her to return to a normal appearance.

Quite scary and not something I want to risk happening again.

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We had a young girl doing work experience in our company who suffers peanut allergies and she would get a similar tingling advance warning. Only happened once whilst she was with us and we ran her up to the hospital. Fortunately it wasn’t too bad as she had one of those epipen thingies which apparently helps to give more time margin. It was my first direct experience of such things and, as you say, quite scary!

Yes that’s right, the Epipens are helpful but typically they just buy you time rather than truly fix the issue.

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