Cherchez la femme

I think you said it as it was actually…especially in your first post.

It wasn’t ‘ad hominem’ but summed up the characteristics involved. I don’t mind folk who say it as they think provided it’s not abusive or bullying. We should feel free to say some uncomfortable things from time to time, but in the right way.


Nothing to apologise to me about…
I was agreeing with your comment


fully agree - two points…

  1. most people don’t know how to eloquently put their view forward
  2. written word (esp in short form as seen is social media) is very difficult to “read” and often interpretation is difficult

Agree with both. I often have to tell a couple of younger guys on our cricket committee to tone it down on online chat between us, as they just don’t realise that whilst if they said that face to face it might be ok, but not in writing!!


Thanks for clarifying and I’m sorry for my misunderstanding. With hindsight, I didn’t think my post was particularly constructive, just angry. I should have considered it more and explained my feelings less emotionally.


I wanted to share this article/ interview by Tom Hewson with Queena Wong.
I think most people around the London area will know who she is, or maybe I’m naively thinking they do.
She makes some really good points about female collectors and the wine trade ignoring this demographic (willfully or not) in promoting and selling fine wine to women.
A lot of what she says resonated with me as someone who has a reasonable collection which is continuing to grow (don’t tell Mr. Leah :sweat_smile:).
Queena has done some really amazing things for women in wine in London, she also speaks candidly to Sophia Longhi on thisinsta live, both are worth checking out .


In my stereotypically ditzy male way I really want a Salon phone case!

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As do I :joy::joy::star_struck:

I just watched the instalive thing with Queena. Very interesting, particularly around male networking and Queena’s experience and response to this. At times deliciously understated, very positive and unashamedly directed at women, the forty minutes flew by. Thanks Leah.


It’s really good isn’t it ?! She’s a breath of fresh air.

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It is interesting that she has managed to become so influential without working in the industry. I mean she spoke about a newsletter but it seems that it is mainly about networking. There is something quite inspiring about it, the line that Sophie said (I think) about you can’t do it if you can’t see it and Queena certainly seems to have done it, and made it look effortless, even though I bet it wasn’t.

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I have now seen 3 different adverts advertising whispering Angel for the “woman” in your life for Mother’s Day …. Obviously pink is the preferred colour of drink for mothers these days :woman_facepalming:t3::woman_facepalming:t3:.

(If anyone asks… I’m over here waiting for some fine white Burgundy :joy:) .


Gosh! How predictable and tedious… :yawning_face:

At least we’re not expected to be the whispering Angels in the House anymore. Small victory, I guess! :roll_eyes:


The mighty d’Esclans marketing machine (and those of its distributors) will have found the opportunity too good to resist, never mind the lazy stereotype.

Mrs Smith would be fairly unimpressed to receive a bottle of WA (I probably like it more than she does)…Central Otago Pinot Noir is the way to her wine heart, though fine white Burgundy also works.

Interesting for newer community members like me to see topics like this reopened, as hadn’t seen it before. Haven’t read all the posts, but some interesting stuff. There’s been progress, but still so far to go (in wine and more generally).


A couple of weeks ago I was outside when a neighbour’s little girl had her birthday party (8th or so). Never seen so much pink!

I believe that at one time pink was seen as more of a masculine colour, but with the way girls are bombarded with these stereotypes (pink, sparkles, unicorns, princesses…) it’ll be many years until it comes back to that.

Although my wife always says a pink shirt suits me🤩


Slightly off-topic but I wanted to share this interesting piece about 3 women who significantly influenced the evolution and development of the Champagne trade. Whilst I knew about Veuve Cliquot, I hadn’t tuned in to the other two and, thus, for me was an enlightening read.


Very interesting, thanks. I knew about Louise Pommery, in part because of Cuvée Louise, but not all the back story, and not about the other two.

You’d think that knowing your death was your wife’s best path to equality and opportunity would have prompted more enlightenment in 19th & early 20th century Frenchmen of means, but apparently not.

Also interesting that marketing was still a big thing for Champagne, even 200 years ago.


Many moons ago, before joining The Society, I was brand manager for Pommery in the UK. It’s a story I know well - she was indeed the creator of what we know today as Brut Champagne.


I’ve got a copy of the Veuve Clicquot book ( The Widow Clicquot: The Story of a Champagne Empire and the Woman Who Ruled It). It’s quite an interesting read.

Happy to part ways with it if of interest. Pretty sure it was part of a bundle of books another forum member gave me when he downsized his bookshelf so I certainly don’t want any money for it. You could either meet up (London somewhere) and I can hand over or just transfer over P&P and I’ll pop in the post.


There’s a slim volume by none other than Evelyn Waugh about Widow Cliquot. I think I read that he was paid a case of champagne for it.