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Chateau Musar, advice


It was tried at the first London lunch

I think it is ready now…


Hang on, that means I had it?! :see_no_evil: Can’t believe I forgot that…

Well, in my (clearly dodgy) memory I’ve never had a bad bottle of Musar so I guess I can vouch for the 1999!


It is glorious! (IMHO)

In fact, I might have to open one tonight…


A tad late to this but my first recollection of it was as a favourite of Auberon (Bron) Waugh who also wrote in the Spectator and wrote a delicious little book on wine called “Waugh on Wine”, illustrated by Willie Rushton and published in 1986. His rather lovely description of the red Musar was: Tastes like something between a hot-season Latour,a grand and ancient Hermitage and one of those magnificent old “cooked” Burgundies bottled in England which have now all but disappeared from the market. Not sure that’s terribly helpful for most of us but beautifully eloquent!


I’ve bought a bottle for Christmas drinking and am quite excited about it! Divided opinions and some brettanomyces (which was a new term to a novice like me) has only added to the mystery!


Yes, Auberon Waugh was a very early champion of Musar!


Also received the same offer and have just ordered 6 x 1999. Yum!!


Got some in my glass right now.

This is a classic Musar. Slightly rotting roasted vegetation, bbq sausages, fruit (fresh and dried), chocolate. I can see that some people wouldn’t like this, and it’ll probably be a little less wacky tomorrow, but they don’t make 'em like this any more.

Wonderful stuff (as dreams could be made on!)

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Majestic have the 1999 in stock too and I just got one bottle after reading the comments from here. They also have 1998 and 2000.


I’m somewhat baffled that there seems to be limitless supplies of 1999!


I’m late to the thread but its the wine that really changed my perception of what wine can be.

I’ve bought pretty much every red since 2003 (drunk most of them though) and been lucky enough to sample back to 1999 as well as the 2006 white and rose. I’ve drunk quite a few bottles of Hochar over the years too, and a few of the Jeune.

One of my all time favourite wine producers.

If the society stocked the white I would be so happy (hint hint).


Had an interesting experience with a bottle of 1990 red the other day. The way it developed over the 3 days I had it open was quite remarkable…

Day 1:

Stewed plums and Mushroom aroma. On the palate, there’s gentle acidity and old leather. Tomatoey. I have a good feeling about where this is going (other than down my throat). Verdict so far is that this is unashamedly old and somewhat tertiary in nature with mushroom dominant, fruit subsiding. Not cut from quite the same cloth as 1991, 1988, etc but still a charming wine.

Day 2:
Oh, this is getting rather odd, and not that nice - like a cross between (flat) Coca Cola and Aperol! Maybe best leave the rest and see where it goes.

Day 3:
Don’t laugh, but this is an improvement on the second night. Tastes a little coffeeish, and some of the more objectionable elements have dissipated. Tastes like old wine, although still with a fungal decaying fruity Musary twist with a hint of chocolate - think mushroom mocha. Perfectly nice…
…Actually, it’s better than that - it’s verging on bloody lovely!


@thewinelake Did you decant or is that just from getting air in the bottle?

I was once told to decant the 2003 the night before I drank it, but I just couldn’t bring myself to!

Interestingly I loved the 2003 when it first came out and It seems to be making an appearance again, not sure if they’ve released a second batch or it was being kept somewhere but my local Waitrose have it and a friend saw it in Majestic. Suspect it’s settled down and matured since I last tried it, not sure of that’s a good or bad thing.


Just air in the bottle.

I need to do more experiments with advance decanting.

2003 is in a good place. Did you dictate that post?!



Might give the 2003 another go then, spending too much money lately!

I’ve got 2x 2010, one for keeping and one to try now but I’m waiting for a friend to come over who loves his wine.


I thought you meant a re-appearance but Siri/Alexa misheard you!emphasized text


Oops, damn autocorrect! Didn’t even notice when reading through.

Just my shonky typing I’m afraid.


That was my impression, too. Bought from Majestic last year.


Just to say that I ran a tasting that included Musar 2003 last year. One of the bottles was really quite different from the other two. Not in a ‘fault’ way, but certainly different. I’ve had Musar all the way back to 1979 and always found them drinking very well, but it’s worth bearing in mind that there can be plenty of bottle variation, which is part of the charm, I guess.


And not sure if in the other 100 posts anyone mentioned this, but I always like to pick up a half dozen of the latest vintage from Waitrose when they have their 25% off deals. Worth keeping an eye out.