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Chateau Musar, advice


#41

M&S have always (in the last few years at least) been open about who makes their wine, with the producer in small print. I guess in this case they just decided to make the producer more obvious - either because they thought it would sell better or as a result of negotiations with Musar. Presumably Levantine is a brand made only for M&S?

I disagree a little with M1tch. I quite like the earlier-drinking Musar wines. They do IMO let you know what to expect in the Chateau wine - in terms of flavour profile and VA - even if they do not have the same weight. But don’t buy them just to save a few pounds - if you want Chateau Musar then you need to buy it.


#42

So Nick P, did you try it?


#43

Not yet, but I will!!

Have had my mind on other things lately and next to no time at home. Aiming to pick some up in the next week or two and I’ll let you know


#44

Opened another bottle of the 1999 and it is great with roast lamb leg… such a great wine Musar with back vintages not at stratospheric prices…


#45

That’s good news @szaki1974 as I have quite a few 99’s left.
Need to try another soon


#46

Good shout. White Musar is also fantastic.


#47

Musar is a little bit of an obsession of mine, as I have vintages going back to 1998. Sadly no 97s left - a great vintage. Another fantastic vintage is the 1999, which are now at their best. I love the 2006 too. Release was held back but it was worth the wait. Others described the wine brilliantly in reply to you, including the initial aroma that can put some people off. Please don’t be put off. Give this amazing wine with a very interesting history a go.


#48

Just realised I hadn’t updated this topic with my thoughts when I did try it


#49

Isn’t there a saying that you must try everything once ? Its a fabled wine because of where it is produced and its marmite appeal. The vintages are released late when the are approaching their tasting window but drink when over 10 years would be my advice (but I don’t know if you a fresh & fruity young thing or a leathery old one…wine style of course!)

Ive found great variation - bottle & vintage but a “house style” exists…and Brett is part of it - nice article by Jamie Goode explaining a little about Brett (amazingly doesn’t mention Musar!)

http://www.wineanorak.com/brettanomyces.htm

Ive a few bottles in my cellar - all from early 2000’s. I drank a 2000 in 2013 and it was “young” with little Brett…but this is the crux for me…we are all sensitive to such things at different levels…some people can detect it at half the concentration of most and for some, it has to be twice that level before they even “get a wiff” of it.

Its also not limited to Musar…at a tasting in St Estephe in the summer I was poured a 2011 that was just showing Brett …it lead to a 10 min discussion between myself, another taster and the Ch representative as to was it/wasnt it Brett


#50

…‘except incest and folk dancing’ (Sir Thomas Beecham).


#51

ok - some exceptions allowed :rofl:

to qualify my earlier statement for late comers…Isn’t there a saying that you must try everything, in the wines and sprits world, once ?


#52

A bit late to this topic, but as a recent joiner who loves the stuff, I had to search “Musar”…

People here might be interested in a crowd-sourced vintage chart that I put together a while back. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D8CunpqT1vVO-UJFbDNh7-PMrGybTxp90uS9aexwCmw/edit?usp=sharing

And I try to organise “Musarathons” every now and then, so if there’s any interest from here (does this forum do "offline"s?) we could do one sometime.

I love all Musars - Red, white and rosé and would say that 15-20 years is about peak drinking for the red. The white is harder. The 1975 is drinking nicely now :wink:

The M&S special, Levantine, needs to be opened at least a day ahead of drinking (as I think I said on my TN on the M&S website)


#53

@NickP Musars are really long lived. I have some 1978 Musar that I got from an auction - it’s still alive. The trick with Musar is to give it some bottle ageing, so it wakes up after 5 to 8 years. There’s a separate bottling that is designed to be drunk young (Jeune). I tried the rose also, but didn’t like it. The white is ok.

http://chateaumusar.com/wines/chateau-musar-red/
http://chateaumusar.com/wine-categories/musar-jeune/


#54

There have been a couple. I haven’t been to one (yet) so will leave tales of unruly conduct to others. But it sounds potentially possible.


#55

like Brexit :sunglasses:

I’ll get my coat.


#56

2003 isn’t the greatest vintage, but it’s drinking very well now and would be an excellent introduction.

I don’t think Musar has brett anymore? At least I haven’t come across it post about '99.

The main thing though, I think, is do not even think of drinking much of it soon after opening. It really needs a day open to show its best, or a minimum of a few hours.


#57

Agreed, although I think 2003 has come on in the last few months and the last one I had was surprisingly good.


#58

If anyone’s interested:

Not one for me - I fear nobody else in the immediate family would like such a left-field wine and I’d end up having to drink the whole thing myself - and there are too many small children in the house for me to be able to deal with that hangover :sleeping:


#59

@Herbster…but it gets better on day 2…so not really too much? A magnum of Musar, how wonderful…


#60

That’s true but - phew - it’s one hell of a commitment to make…! I love a bit of Musar but I need to be in the mood for it, and the day after half a magnum I might fancy something else!

But yes, lovely to see it listed.