Basically red cherry tends to have more sourness in it than black cherry…black can be very slightly sweet…with more richness. Red has more structure
Point of order here, but if it’s real truffles with the fries, then it’s much more at home with a Cahors
Sounds as though when it comes to the battle of tertiary flavours the chips are down
Fair point, we’d need to check with @NW3Andre if the sommelier at his chippie recommends Burgundy or Cahors, and that’s before we even consider the views of the good people of Piemonte when it comes to truffles and wine…
It seriously depends on the cherry varietal. Morello is not that dark but quite sour while some USA cherries will be dark and sweet. Glacé cherries are a different business, though. I have lots of time for those.
Controversial as it may be - having had the pleasure of both White Alba and Black Perigord truffles - it’s my belief that you’re just better off keeping your hand firmly in your pocket when it comes to the Northern Italian ones. I prefer the black ones. And the price!
(As an aside, there’s a whole range of impostors out there, and it’s almost always pointless buying them imported over here, or indeed preserved. There is really nothing like fresh, and that’s really where the reputation/price comes from).
And most definitely not truffle oil - rank, old gym socks. Although on reflection it might go well with ‘farmyardy’ or ‘sweaty saddles’ Burgundy?
We drank Hudelot-Baillet’s Bourgogne 2015 last night. It was a snip at £60 per case of six EP ex Howard Ripley. I recall JR (the wine writer, not the Dallas oil magnate) waxed lyrical about this wine during EP season and it did not disappoint, other than I think it will improve with a couple more years’ age. Fourrier’s “basic” Gevrey-Chambertin 2013, £180 per six EP ex Howard Ripley, is also in a good spot right now, but no hurry to drink up.
I imagine he’d have preferred a big Cali Cab to a Bourgogne
Yes, I’m a follower of Hudelot Baillet too but it is a slightly riper and deeper fruited style than the Barthod first mentioned. It used to be a wine to bulk out ones order but now it is an allocated range of wines too especially at 1er Cru level. A good buy in the range is the Chambolle Musigny VV - a real step up from the straight Chambolle Musigny cuvee.
Had one sip of the Barthod Rouge 2014 last night and put the cork back in. Very disappointing and frustrating. Harsh, clunky, not well integrated at all. Never going back there again.
However, I saved the night by moving onto the Desvignes Givry 2019. @Toby.Morrhall you have hit it out the park with this producer! Muted nose but really sensual palate. Crisp red fruit with fennel and licorice. Really fine tannins, just as you said in the video. Top work. Thank you very much!
JR always seemed to be drinking spirits. If you’ve ever played ‘drink along with Dallas’ as a student you get drunk very quickly, they were always walking into a room and pouring themselves a drink.
Of course, as a good Texan he no doubt believed wine to be a commie plot brought from Europe, and would stick to Bourbon…though I recall reading an interview with Larry Hagman (also Texan) when he said that his preferred tipple between scenes while filming was Champagne, and quite a lot of it. Of course, when an American says Champagne, you’re not always sure what they mean…
After the very expensive, and very nice Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru (£265) we drank last weekend, Weekend drinking thread 15 - 17 September 2023 - #27 by JosK I decided to give Burgundy red wines another go, with me so far not really liking Burgundy pinot noir at prices that I want to pay.
So this line-up has been drunk this week for about £40, £60 and £80 per bottle. I admit that these 2018’s may need ageing longer, but they are supposed to be early in their drinking window. I was disappointed about lack of intensity and complexity, and unfortunately remain with the conclusion that I have not yet found any value for money examples. This of course comes with the disclaimer that it is my personal taste and some others will surely have different opinions.
I bought a 2008 Serafin GC VV from the BBR warehouse shop a couple of years ago. I don’t know if it was the vintage or bottle variation but I found it extremely thin and uninteresting and it sort of put me off the producer.
How bad were these?
None of them were really bad as such, and I happily drank the two GCs. I just think I can buy equally nice wines, or better, for a third, or less, of the price. The quality of the wines increased with price. But considering value for money, I thought the Bourgogne was the least VFM, followed by the Gevrey Chambertin Vieilles Vignes, with the standard GC being the best VFM of these three.
The talk of Barthod’s wines above reminds me that I am yet to see any of their 2021s available - has anyone been offered them yet?