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Bin 008 speculation begins!

I think he’s talking about their commitment to quality, and their willingness to take the financial hit associated with that.

(Please forgive my ignorance of the estate in what is to come) As far as I understand it, in a poor vintage, instead of selling their best wine wine as named vineyards/Lieu-Dits it will be declassified and sold as generic Vacqueyras, (at a much reduced price) or even in the worst case CdR.

If it doesn’t hit the standard, they won’t sell it at the most premium possible level, despite it hitting all the geographical and viticultural controls.

I say Oregon, Pacific North West, as in my original post. Sticking with a Rhone variety. :sunglasses:


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE SO! Yes this is a real sentence.

Ah, nicely explained :+1:

My understanding of wines to be declassified are not necessarily inferior (but they may be), more likely they do not “fit in” with the rest of a Domaine’s production from a particular year. To be succinct they are, atypical.
Guigal in the 1980’s employed this practice, adding all sorts of terrific Rhone’s (surplus to requirements, that might detract from a blend’s flavour profile) to their CdR raising it’s quality, at times to previously unseen standards. :+1: :dragon:

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Speaking as a Tim, I’d just like to say the original pic is not Gamay, the stem is shorter. Thank you.

Initially I thought it was Syrah, but Syrah tends to hang long and low… who knows :rofl:

While it all sounds like a great wine, it’s not particularly “Bin Series”, is it?

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Why not… Its unusual

I guess I drink too much Spanish wine to find a varietal Mourvedre (Monastrell) that unusual. Sure it’s the M, in GSM, but it’s still in GSM and the Rhone is hardly off the beaten track. That said, If it were a varietal Vaccaresse or Terret Noir, that would be weird!


I thought that about the Tasmanian Pinot Noir at first, but came round to the idea that it deserved its place in the Bin Series. I’m looking forward to finding out exactly what it is and why it is Bin #008. Might just be a bloody lovely parcel of something we’re unlikely to see again.


That bit I don’t doubt. I am probably too stuck in the more Ribolla/Furmint/Encruzado mind set than the new Thymopolis cuvee/Tazzie Pinot Noir mind set.


Ah! I’ve fooled you all :wink:

I didn’t spill the beans THAT much… You’ll have to keep guessing…


Without a doubt, this will be from a long-lost ancestral variety originally traced to the back of a mountain outsize Zagreb, now only found behind the hut of a shepherd in Eastern Croatia. 0.0125 acres planted. Mars facing exposure (always with an unobstructed line of sight to the rover).


it’s an English Rondo, grown in Marce’s garden in North London and vinified by Jean-Michel Vache.


Thanks for the distraction, something else we can look forward to anyway.


And the year? North London has some very tricky vintages…


I’m changing my guess to… Cambridgeshire. Picked by a selected group of Grauniad readers fortified by herbal tea breaks and an opportunity to wear dungarees off the shoulder. Not (you understand) an opportunity to socialise with liberal minded crossword solvers and flaunt covid rules, but a moment when they became ‘essential’ workers bringing in the harvest.

Rondo grapes. Supplanted by grape must from ‘elsewhere’.


Getting Guardian readers to do some good honest work in the fields and bring the harvest in without the help of Johnny Foreigner?

Will the bottle also have a Brexiters Year Zero commemorative label too? :joy:


There are vineyards round here that run on volunteers for much of the field work. The owners looking slightly shocked at the thought of actually paying someone to produce their £30/bottle wines.:roll_eyes: